And when Mark and Luke
First, lets examine what the book of Revelation says about its author. theology, the Christians fled the city as ordered by John in Revelation only to
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John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace, from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne . disciple of the Lord, going to bathe at Ephesus, and perceiving Cerinthus
Fourth Bowl. of the Lord in his lifetime!!! It was at this time that the apostle John returned from his banishment in the island and took up his abode at Ephesus, according to an ancient Christian tradition.[9]. outlive his own natural time of death. Those who claim that Nero and Domitian were interchangeable names for the same person have ignored the obvious. Hebrew Bethesda, having five porticoes." John was 99 years old. According to Christian tradition, John is the author of three letters (1 John, 2 John, and 3 John). mentions these as the only works written by him, saying something like this: , Papias, a man of the early period, who was a
hearer of John and a companion of Polycarp (Papias fragment 3, Eusebius, Church History
there is no consistent pattern of John using. none of them would lay their arms up in it, he might save it; but that in case
He begins by saying that God sent the visions he is going to relate to his servant John (Rev. In like manner, Tertullian cites the author as the Apostle John and quotes from almost every chapter of the book. with the central message of Jesus and Revelation to
While notable scholars can be cited in support of divergent views, the proof dissipates upon examination. 159-161. Polycarp suffered about the year 167, in the reign of Marcus Aurelius. burning it would then belong to those that forced this to be done, and not to
Trajan reigned from A.D. 98 to A.D. 117. (John 18:1). Calvin lived for nine years after he finished his last New Testament . go in. Titus then order fire extinguishers to save the temple itself and then holds a
the Gospel of John around AD 98, he likely was the last apostle alive of the 13
contradict this fiction. of Jerusalem, which for Full-Preterists is odd, since John writes the entire
Proud member Internal Evidence #2: John
I hold that Revelation was produced prior to the death of Nero in June, A.D. 68, and even before the formal engagement of the Jewish War by Vespasian in Spring, A.D. 67. 5. His great age of eighty-six years implies that he was contemporary with St.
Moody Press. Even if the gospel of John was written in 60/61 AD,
This tradition is credible because banishment was a common punishment used during the Imperial period for a number of offenses. Asia with John, the disciple of the Lord, attest to Johns tradition, for he
Even in A.D. 904 many of the inhabitants of Thessaloniki were deported to Patmos as prisoners after it was defeated. Eusebius says John was the last gospel, a. passages but did not expect to be alive, even in old age, for the second
Johns letter after AD 98. Conclusion: The Pool of Bethsaida was not destroyed in
There are also those who heard from him (Polycarp) that John, the
Christ. I am the First and the Last. Wiki User 2012-06-16 22:19:25 Study now See answer (1) Best Answer Copy A: We do not really know who 'John' the gospel writer was, because the. disciples expected John to live long past AD 70 to see the second coming of
In fact, from a Full-Preterist point of view,
Internal Evidence #1: No warnings to
. AD 70, Sunday, 9 Lous/Av), b. persecution (which was no way near as wide spread as Full-Preterists suggest)
document such a major event as the rapture of every Christian on earth in AD 66
Whats interesting to note is that in this place of exile and banishment, God gave him this great revelation. Donations to this ministry aretax-deductible. Chronology of destruction of Jerusalem: AD 62-74, The 7
3.23), 4. What an incredible challenge. The Book of Revelation was written sometime around 96 CE in Asia Minor. Seeking the Gospel in Malachi, the Last Book of the Old Testament. They say it is a recurring theme that flows throughout his entire book. had already published their Gospels, they say that John, who had employed all
Persecution of Christians reached a peak during Emperor Domitians reign (A.D. 81-96). The central synchronism is the Ezekiel's account of the destruction of Jerusalem in 587 BC. John wrote I, II, and III John, and in addition he wrote the Gospel according to St. John, and the Book of Revelation. John wrote the Gospel of John in AD 98 Revelation Commentary: 1. centre for healing from AD 135 down to at least the 6th century AD: Confirmation that a local healing cult continued into
when narrating an historical event are weak and worthless. John was one of the twelve disciples, but he was also part of the inner circle along with Peter and James. were unearthed in the debris in the double pool. (Eusebius,
Your email address will not be published. The Book of Revelation was written sometime around 96 CE in Asia Minor. . The former of these, in Book 2 of his work Against Heresies,
which are entitled Expositions of the Sayings of the Lord. Irenaeus also
only 2 years away. 1.10). flee the destruction of Jerusalem which was only 4-8 years away when John
The silence of the literary sources that document such a
with many who had seen Christ, but was also, by apostles in Asia, appointed
and it was after this John was killed by the Jews! You can read about it in Matthew 17, Mark 9, and Luke 9. in the Onomasticon. The Lord, the God who inspires the prophets, sent his angel to show his servants the things that must soon take place. Look, I am coming soon! Mariamne, , 2nd September AD 70, Sunday,
Achtemeir et al. Then in numerous other passages in Against Heresies he refers to John and quotes from the book of Revelation.[2]. 4. Mormon, especially when the actual literary sources we do posses vociferously
FAQ: How Much Of The New Testament Did The Apostle Paul Write? For John also, while he writes to seven churches in the Apocalypse, yet speaks to all. g. In fact, from a Full-Preterist point of view,
This would have been shortly after the apostle John died. the E end of the double pool. The arguments for rejecting the apostolic authorship stem largely from the theological climate of the third century. Revelation written in AD 66 2. apostles physically is that John was the fastest runner! And I hold the keys of death and Hades. until the 6th century AD and was never destroyed. I guess the many symbols and images can be overwhelming and somewhat scary. Five books of Papias are in circulation,
Modern Footnote: This explanation is curious. baptizing in Aenon near Salim, because there WAS much water there" (John 3:23), b. Eusebius. Caesar gave orders that they should now demolish the entire city and
b. If John was born early in the first century he would have been somewhere between 80-90 when he wrote the book. This confirms the internal evidence of the book of Revelation regarding the place where John wrote Revelation. (239) Now, some of
in Jerusalem? the E end of the double pool. Did any apostles die of old age? In Eusebius only one of the twin pools is involved in the
Did Jesus' Second Coming occur in 70 A.D.. Pool in Jerusalem which is
A.D. 94-96), near the end of Emperor Domitians reign (A.D. 81-96). Jesus had spoken these words, He went forth with His disciples over the ravine
stooping and looking in, he saw the linen wrappings lying there; but he did not
Today we want to look a little bit closer and learn more about the person who wrote Revelation. How old was John when he wrote Revelation. Each of the horsemen represents a different facet of the apocalypse: conquest, war, famine, and death. a.
In Eusebius only one of the twin pools is involved in the
The pilgrims report similar happenings. Think of his challenges; the physical toll on the human body. III, XX, The Fathers of the Church. Clement of Alexandria (A.D. 150 215) confirms that John had been on the Island of Patmos. hand and one upon the left where were made by Solomon; and further in the city
himself publish a Gospel during his residence at Ephesus in Asia. (Iren., Adv. and therefore the rumour became widely believed and was becoming a problem that
Votive offerings characteristic of grateful devotees of Serapis or of Asclepius
The Muratorian Fragment was written about A.D. 170 since Polycarp (A.D. 69-155) refers to the Fragment himself. Required fields are marked *. the Parousia. No! Healing the paralytic at Bethesda in John 5:1-15. through two witnesses, and these should be trustworthy, for they represented
distinct applications: AD 70 and the Second coming after that when John was
second coming. The site would therefore have become part of the
Confirmation that a local healing cult continued into
Polycarp says
outlive his own natural time of death. e.
had they NOT gone to Jerusalem! not Jerusalem, Dating
This clearly reveals that the person identified as John is the author of the book. proves it was written after 70 AD: Was the water gone after 70 AD? Answer (1 of 10): The short answer is we don't know. Dating the Gospel of John to after AD 98: A. Ante-Nicene Fathers. Unbeknownst to him, he was writing about things that would happen thousands of years into the future. AD 70 was earlier than Johns natural
Bzatha (Bethsaida). contradict this fiction. The transformation of water into wine at the Marriage at Cana or Wedding at Cana is the first miracle attributed to Jesus in the Gospel of John. 7. who have been sick for many years are cured; the pools contain water which is
2. Finally, dating Revelation during Neros reign does not allow time for Johns ministry in Asia Minor to reach the point at which the authorities would have felt the need to exile him.[12]. is that John was no longer around after AD 70 because he was killed by the Jews
vast a work as that was, because this would be a mischief to the Romans
The book itself says it was written by the apostle John. most of the Christians alive in AD 30 would also live as long or longer than
The book itself says it was written by the apostle John. Whats very interesting about this book is that John has an encounter with Jesus again in the first chapter. Gorpiaeus/Elul 8). as were of the greatest eminency; that is, Phasaelus, and Hippicus, and
in AD 64 AD, and only a tiny population remain on the earth even fewer in
1966. p. 12. John called himself the beloved probably because he understood Gods love more than anyone else, also having witnessed the crucifixion. What Does It Really Mean That Your Body Is a Temple? when Titus had given orders to the commanders that the
of the truth, is within. (Iren., Adv. It is important to recall that he was the disciple whom Jesus loved (John 13:23; 20:2; 21:7, 20). The Pursuit of Victory: How To Conquer Your Greatest Challenges and Win In Your Christian Life. The spiritual decline of the the seven churches (chaps. and that he was not in any case for burning down so
Since the early church fathers had already concluded that 1) the Apostle John was the author of Revelation, 2) the book of Revelation was written near the end of Domitians reign, and 3) that the book was written while John was on the Island of Patmos, we can conclude that Augustine of Hippo (A.D. 354 430) had no influence on the authorship, dating, or Johns location while writing the book. when narrating an historical event are weak and worthless. I guess this was the emperors method of trying to shut him down and silence him. Jerusalem Christians an irrelevant act of futility! The tradition of John's exile was started by Augustine about 200 years after John lived. How many epistle did John write? writes word for word as follows: And all the presbyters who had associated in
. This is a very personal statement and is very similar to the opening verses of 1 John 1-9. F. F. Bruce. Mariamne, and so much of the wall as enclosed the city on the west
When was the book of Revelation written by John? (Eusebius,
Then in the ninth and tenth verses, that is, Revelation 1:9-10, John refers to himself as I., I, John, your brother and fellow partaker in the tribulation and kingdom and perseverance which are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus. 21:2023). Irenaeus. 9. The apostle John was later freed, possibly due to old age, and he returned to what is now Turkey. went forth, and they were going to the tomb. John expected to leave Patmos (in ch. Clarence L. Haynes Jr. is a speaker, Bible teacher, and co-founder of The Bible Study Club. passages but did not expect to be alive, even in old age, for the second
But after Domitian had reigned fifteen years, and Nerva had succeeded to the empire, the Roman Senate, according to the writers that record the history of those days, voted that Domitians honors should be cancelled, and that those who had been unjustly banished should return to their homes and have their property restored to them. They had the privilege of experiencing things with Jesus that the other disciples didnt. The sacrificial victims were
Eusebius Chronicle, who quotes Irenaeus), c. Five books of Papias are in circulation,
eccl. This is a story that truly ends well for those in Christ. At that time the Alexandrian School of Theology, including Dionysius, opposed the doctrine of the millennial kingdom which is plainly taught in chapter 20 with its reference to the thousand years. This is the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. things destroyed. Eusebius says the Gospel of John was written at Ephesus
of Jerusalem, which for Full-Preterists is odd, since John writes the entire
(AD 62) and before the Parousia (AD 66). (The final decade before the end,
3. Sychar, near the parcel of ground that Jacob gave to his son Joseph; and
document such a major event as the rapture of every Christian on earth in AD 66
In the last chapter, Revelation 22:8, John uses his name once again. The Gospel of John, sometimes called "the spiritual gospel," was probably composed between 90 and 100 CE. John and the book of Revelations. inscription point to Herodian times, making it one of
wrote the Gospel of John and the Book of Revelation. distinct applications: AD 70 and the Second coming after that when John was
John describes in detail a period of tribulation that will come upon the earth, that will be unmatched when compared to any other time in human history. Jerusalem. preserving a smaller number of Jerusalem Christians till the second coming than
3 john. afterwards. Peter understood that John was the only man on earth
21:20-23 proves the gospel of John was written long after AD 70, 1. raptured. The testimony of the early church fathers strongly supports the view that the apostle John is the author of the book of Revelation. before the Parousia, not because he was raptured [4. Revelation to AD 66 and Gospel of John to 98 AD, Old
after the Second
b. 66] It is enough to confirm the report that he still survived at this time
He didn't write it It was written after his death. The elephant in the room, is that no one would equate
The sacrificial victims were
John also, the Lords disciple, when beholding the sacerdotal and glorious advent of His kingdom, says in the Apocalypse: I turned to see the voice that spake with me. AD 64. Peter was likely only 70 in AD 70. He is also believed to be the only disciple who died of old age (the others were allegedly martyred). This book will teach you how to put the pieces together so you can live a victorious Christian life and finally become the man or woman of God that you truly desire to be. Perhaps church tradition dated John's writings (particularly the Revelation) to be A.D. 90-100 in order to disprove the preterists' view. "So Peter and the other disciple [John]
. Jesus is coming soon. And if most of the Christians were already killed by Nero
And that you may be still more confident, that repenting this truly there remains for you a sure hope of salvation, listen to a tale, which is not a tale but a narrative, handed down and committed to the custody of memory, about the Apostle John. living past AD 70 as uniquely remarkable for John alone, since children and
The rumour that went out
FAQ: How Did The Apostle Peter Appoint His Succesor? revenge ourselves on things that are inanimate, instead of the men themselves;
flee Jerusalem when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies Lk 21:20. 1:9 (NASB). The tradition of John's exile was started by Augustine about 200 years after John lived. conference with his generals who all decide NOT to destroy the temple but to
that that disciple would not die; yet Jesus did not say to him that he
the lives of the Christians living in Jerusalem in order for them to be alive
1) and go and preach among the churches to whom he addressed this letter. 2 john. Further evidence for the continued importance
The Book of Revelation was signed by a person called John, who said that he was writing from Patmos. 7. when the pool existed. Eusebius describes the pool of John 5:2, as not only
Nevertheless, this inner circle apostle is the same John who wrote Revelation. put out the fires: although the Jews
Roman dress when Roman cults appeared in the new city of Aelia Capitolina. . 6. killed by Nero before the second coming, but that John himself didnt even make
Papias said he met John personally after AD 98
70 AD John 5:2 would NOT SAY, There IS (present, not past tense) in Jerusalem,
are twin pools with five porticoes which are called Bethsaida. 6. Who was the only disciple of Christ who died of old age?. The book gives a picture of what will happen as we close the doors on human history as we know it and we look forward with anticipation to Jesus second coming. was likely about 66 years old. supposedly wrote the book before AD 70: No mention of future destruction
vast a work as that was, because this would be a mischief to the Romans
What language would you use to describe that? ( Daniel 12:1-13) 1 This is the revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants what must soon a come to pass. Onomasticon, 325 AD). He saw him in his natural form as a human; he also saw him transfigured and in all his glory. it the pool had been destroyed, he would simply be looking back into the past
John MacArthur,. d. And according to Full-Preterist theology, there is no
3.39, who quoted Irenaeus, who quoted Papias). So it is called the sheep after the sacrifice. miraculously red, as they say, bearing the traces of the sacrificial victims
alive in AD 98. Mormon, especially when the actual literary sources we do posses vociferously
On this island in the southern part of the Aegean Sea, John had a vision of Jesus Christ and wrote the prophetic book of Revelation. The Revelation of John is the one book in the New Testament that claims John as its author. His feet were like bronze glowing in a furnace, and his voice was like the sound of rushing waters. from earth on 4th June AD 66 just like the fictional
Hendrickson. How old was the Apostle John when he wrote Revelation? PPT 1, 20). red when it is disturbed" (Itin. 2. Having outlived all the other apostles to the age
AD 70, Sunday, 9 Lous/Av), should leave as many of the towers standing
is that John was no longer around after AD 70 because he was killed by the Jews
Lord, and what about this man? Jesus said to him, If I want him to remain until I come, what is that to you? eccl. Jewish Revolt against Rome. He made it known by sending His angel to His servant John, 2 who testifies to everything he saw. Yet he succeeded because he was guided by The Holy Spirit, who I guess you could say is technically the one who wrote Revelation. Thus the local cult assumed
Therefore, he was not
Geisler and Nix. Prophecy with political implications, like that expressed by John in the book of Revelation, would have been perceived as a threat to Roman political power and order. only do Full-Preterists say that most of these Christians who fled ended being
of the site is the erection of a Christian church in the 5th century just E of
This is why John felt the need to quell the rumour, because he
Sheffield: Journal for the Study of the Old . I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! NOT prove John was written before 70 AD: THE TEXT: "Now there is
the city till the rapture in AD 66 3 months before the First Jewish War started
John wrote I, II, and III John, and in addition he wrote the Gospel according to St. John, and the Book of Revelation. He wrote it when he was about 92 years old, while a prisoner of Rome on the remote desert penal colony of Patmos , an island in the Aegean Sea . False Argument: If John was written after
John was 99 years old. Clement of Alexandria. You have nothing to fear. Healing the royal officials son in Capernaum in John 4:46-54. in Asia, that very disciple whom Jesus loved, at once both Apostle and
John suffered martyrdom before the Parousia and did not live and remain until
Votive offerings characteristic of grateful devotees of Serapis or of Asclepius
E. Eusebius: External Literary Source #1: Eusebius says the Gospel of John was written at Ephesus
Of course, when John is almost 100 years old and wrote
This was part of Johns challenge, describing things thousands of years into the future with language and references of the first century AD. Bourd. I. Refuting the Full-Preterist view that
Longer answer is, John was an illiterate fisherman from Galilee, he could not even read or write Aramaic much less polished Greek. In fact, Revelation was written in AD 66 and the rest of
Jerusalem in AD 66, it makes Johns entire effort of writing Revelation to the
in Jerusalem because he translates Hebrew words for the Greeks. (240) Others of them were of opinion, that in case the Jews would leave it, and
While many of the pictures that we see today of Mary holding baby Jesus depict her as a young woman who was probably in her early 20s, a majority of scholars and historians believe she was most likely between the ages of 12-16 years old when she had Jesus. The Gospel of John was NOT written for Jews
In verse 4 we are told that John wrote to the seven churches that are in Asia. Johns letter after AD 98. : My settled position now
The Gospel of John was written after AD 70. c.
John, the disciple of the Lord, who also had leaned upon His breast, did
4. One of the problems that John faced as he wrote these letters to the seven he also 1, p.240. advantage if a Christian was alive when . that is only 2-4 year away. So he commanded that the chosen
at the second coming. "Now
Remember John had a very unique perspective of Jesus. the many magnificent building projects of Herod the Great. blood which in itself is seen as a sign of old. porticos. (called probatike and interpreted by us) "sheep." Its courtyard school on arched pillars and buttresses directly over
& the extinction of Judaism, The role of
Bible Answer: The author and date of the book of Revelation is determined by internal and external information. 62. a. Full-Preterists say all Christians vanished
John 21:20-23 is utterly devastating to Full-Preterists
AD 70 was earlier than Johns natural
Writing in the second century, Irenaeus declared that Revelation had been written toward the end of Domitians reign. This verse must surely prove John was written after 70
Jerusalem = Babylon,
Rome to use: The Pool of Bethesda: The Architectural style and
had outlived most of the apostles by close to 40 years. until the 6th century AD and was never destroyed. he saw the linen wrappings lying there," (John
John is traditionally regarded as the author of five books of the Bible: the Gospel of John, the epistles 1 John, 2 John, and 3 John, and the Book of Revelation, although some Bible scholars dispute which of these (if any) he actually wrote. alive in AD 70 because many others alive in AD 33 also lived past AD 70. [Strongs # 2052] in Jerusalem by the sheep gate a pool, which is called in
after AD 70, well into the middle of the second century. John, the beloved apostle who wrote the Gospel of John, I-III The message is about what is to come. Get Your Bible Minute in Your Inbox Every Morning. The pilgrims report similar happenings. The author was probably a Christian from Ephesus known as John the Elder. According to the Book, this John was on the island of Patmos, not far from the coast of Asia Minor, because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus (Rev. Alexandria. comments, input or corrections. It was the words of Papias and other later church fathers which alerted me to
Witnesses: Jesus ben Ananus: AD 62-70, Book
visit it today at Nablus, Israel: "So He came to a city of Samaria called